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***Re: You believe that “life = existence” and “death = a cessation existence”.

I do NOT believe death equals a cessation of existence with regards to Adam losing eternal life.  We must think of Adam as a criminal who was found guilty of the breaking God's laws.  As a result, Adam was lost all rights to his Father's inheritance--he was completely disowned by God (e.g. cast out of the Garden of Eden).  Moreover, Adam was sentenced to eternal damnation on the very day that he ate of the tree.  At that time, God appointed a day wherein all men must physically die because their bodies have been infected with sin.  And, when the unsaved die, they will be treated like criminals (son of Satan) not sons of God.   This contempt of God brings eternal damnation--meaning the unsaved will never live again after they are destroyed.

***Re: If you think about this statement, it is really saying that Adam would die in the future.

I want to stress again that Adam's loss of eternal life occurred on the day he ate of the tree (not some future time).  Theologically speaking, we define the loss of eternal life as spiritual death.  From the foundation of the world, God decided that unsaved men would never receive eternal life.  As a result, men are born spiritually death (i.e., without eternal life). 

Hope this clears up my statements.






In Genesis 2:17 God tells us that Adam died the day he sinned. Adam truly did die the day he sinned. God doubles up the verb “to die” so that we know Adam really did die the day he sinned (Genesis 41:32).


People say a lot of different things about Genesis 2:17, but God simply says “in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”.


Adam did not cease to exist in anyway the day that he sinned. Therefore, by Genesis 2:17 God is teaching us that for mankind death is not a cessation of existence.


God defines words and phrases by how He uses them in the Bible.


In the study of the Biblical definition of “life” and “death” for mankind, there are more than 50 verses that show that the Bible teaches that God Himself is “life”, and that for mankind, “life” has to do with his relationship to God, and “death” is separation from God.


The corpse is a body sleeping in the dust.


These verses will not fit the definitions, “life = existence” and “death = cessation of existence or a corpse”.


I won’t include the verses here because I don’t want to write another long email.


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One thing that confuses the issue is that when man leaves this world, two distinct things happen. We normally do not see the distinction but combine them together in our minds:


1. His body fails and there is no consciousness in his body. The Bible talks about that as a body sleeping in the dust.


2. He is separated from God, that is he dies.


In Acts 17:28 we read:


For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


This verse is talking about all mankind; both saved and unsaved. The “him” is God.


Acts 17:28 teaches that in this world, all mankind, including the unsaved, have God to some degree. They are “in him”. They “move” in Him and they “have their being” in Him.


Unsaved man is not completely separated from God. He still has God according to Acts 17:28.


However, when unsaved man’s body fails, it sleeps in the dust. There is no consciousness in his body. At that point, unsaved man no longer “moves” in God. Corpses do not move.


Acts 17:28 no longer applies to him. He no longer “moves” in God and no longer has his being in God and is no longer “in him”.


He is separated from God, who is “life”. That is, he dies.



These are two different things that happen to man when he leaves this world, but normally we blend them together. We do not see the distinction.



Another problem is that man focuses upon what he sees, which is the corpse, a body sleeping in the dust.


God focuses upon what is important, which is man’s relationship to God. That is, God focuses upon man’s separation from God, which is death.



We confuse these two things. The corpse is a body sleeping in the dust. Death is the separation from God who is “life”.



When we follow the rule of 1 Corinthians 2:13, then we learn that God is teaching that for the unsaved, the fact that they are dead means that they are separated from God, who is “life”.